Sgwrs:Rhestr aelodau seneddol Cymru 2005-2010

The first column in the table is the order the MPs first took the Oath in the House of Commons, and have not been out of Parliament since. It is not an order of precedence, but an unofficial seniority list showing the longest serving MPs for Welsh constituencies. Paul-L 19:53, 1 Hydref 2008 (UTC)

I've now recreated the table since the dissolution of the 2005-2010 Parliament.
The fourth column shows year first elected, and if more than one MP was elected in that year (usually during a general election), I have put the order of taking the oath in that year afterwards - so, as mentioned above, it can still show the order of longest serving MPs.
Fluent speakers are welcome to correct the grammar in any of the Headings or Notes - but N.B. Elfyn Llwyd is written as "Lzlwyd, Elfyn" [i.e. including a 'z'] in the span style - this is deliberate to make sure he appears below Ian Lucas when displayed alphabetically in the table. Paul-L 22:02, 5 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Ardderchog, Paul. Dwi wedi cywiro ambell beth bach. I thought 'Lzlwyd' was already the official Newsnight pronunciation? I heard one of Sky's pundits refer to one "Ugh-ffull ap Gweelim" tonight, which was moderately amusing... Hwyl, Anatiomaros 23:29, 5 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Nice bit of satire. Fortunately we seem to be past the days of hearing "Plee-ad Sim-roo"! Paul-L 17:47, 6 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking of improving this page by shading the 'Plaid' field in the relevant party colours; and adding two new columns: Majority (votes) & Majority (%) - but would that be too much detail, and start to spoil the table? Paul-L 17:53, 6 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why not as far as the colours go. As for the two extra columns it's hard to say without seeing the result. If you feel like experimenting it can always be previewed/undone. Anatiomaros 17:57, 6 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I'll experiment with those changes to it, but not tonight. My main problem is remembering how to make sure the table is displayed below the constituency map. Paul-L 20:33, 6 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Here's my experimentation with the colour shading of the political party fields:

Enw	Plaid
APerson A	Llafur
BPerson B	Plaid Cymru
CPerson C	Ceidwadol
DPerson D	Y Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol

I've had to make some alterations to my original idea, but I think it looks good. Any comments? Paul-L 21:11, 15 Mai 2010 (UTC)

For constistency, how about changing the Plaid background to green? Llywelyn2000 06:10, 16 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I think Plaid Cymru is now Yellow since rebranding. I'n not sure if the Conservatives should actuall be 'Ceidwadwyr' not 'Ceidwadol'. Ceidwadol is the adjective (e.g. "Dw i'n berson ceidwadol - gyda 'c' fach!").--Ben Bore 20:01, 16 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Plaid Cymru's colour has been yellow since 2006. I think the map(s) have their constituencies coloured green because (a) that was their colour for over 70 years, and the creators have not realised it was changed; and (b) the curent colour is very similiar to, and could be confused with, that of the Liberal Democrats.
'Llafur' is also an adjective, but is that acceptable because it is also a noun? I have put 'Ceidwadol' as the party in many of the constituencies - please don't tell me I'll have to change all these to 'Ceidwadwyr' :-(. Paul-L 17:24, 18 Mai 2010 (UTC)

'Ceidwadol' is ok as it clearly stands for the party. One could say "yr AS Ceidwadol" for instance. Arguably 'Ceidwadwyr' is better but don't put yourself out to change it.

As for Plaid's colour, it's true that for reasons best known to themselves they changed it from green. The only problem is it does look very like the Lib Dem yellow (was that the idea?!). Also, I think that the names in black or white stand out more than the Plaid green, but that's just a quibble... Anatiomaros 17:43, 18 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I copied the colour of the letters on the Party Leaders navigation boxes (e.g. Nodyn:Arweinwyr y Blaid Geidwadol (DU)), which themselves are adapted from versions on en:. The exception to this for Plaid Cymru, where there is no equivalent on en:, so I made the lettering green based on that still use it as a secondary colour: see their website for many examples. I'm thinking I may need to change the lettering to a darker shade of green, to make it easier to read, because I (personally) find this colour combination very readable on their website. Paul-L 15:15, 20 Mai 2010 (UTC)

Here's a darker shade of green, compared to the one in the example above (also shown below), which is closer to the green they use on their website, and is clearly more readable.

Cysgod Gwyrdd	Enw'r Blaid
BHen	Plaid Cymru
BNewydd	Plaid Cymru

Paul-L 20:53, 23 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I understand the fact that Plaid changed their colour to yellow a few years ago, but I still think that the background colour should be green because, Paul-L:

• 1. map(s) have their constituencies coloured green because
• 2. Green has been their colour for over 70 years, and the reader have not realised it was changed; and
• 3. Yellow is too similar to, and could be confused with, that of the Liberal Democrats.

Llywelyn2000 06:49, 29 Mai 2010 (UTC)

I see you've slightly re-worded my comments from above. These were about why many election maps (for example BBC, Sky, The Telegraph, and even the one used in this article) used the colour green, instead of the yellow, which had become their official colour in February 2006 (therefore the 2010 election was the first general election in which they used yellow, and not green). If you would like me, for consistency, to change the green to yellow on the map in the article, then I will.
Please note: For Parliaments prior to 2005, in which Plaid Cymru were represented, the colour WILL be green. For the majority of the 2005-2010 Parliament (over 4 of the 5 years) they used yellow, so it seems reasonable to keep it yellow. For the 2010 onwards Parliament the colour is still yellow, unless they decide to change it. Note that I intend to imply this principle to the lists of ACau: 1999-2003 Green; 2003-2007 Green; 2007-2011 Yellow.